7 thoughts on “Why the Christmas story is not history (1): the “nativity scene” and the Gospels”

  1. I’m not a scholar, I am a follower of Christ our savior and have a lot of questions about todays teaching and Gods word.
    Myth, Mythical, Mythology, all means not true or made up.
    So we were taught in School about Greek Mythology, Greek Gods and Goddesses. Now from what I can make out these Mythical Gods and Goddesses was in the time Jesus was on earth and that his teachings were known.
    So my question is, why were we not taught about those parts of the stories.
    These Greek “God and Goddess” were real they existed, they were not Gods and Goddess, but believed they were and it was taught at that particular time that they were to be worshiped.

    Also pagan festivals and worship of these false Gods were part of this time, and I continue to read and track back our “Christian” Holidays to coincide with the pagan holidays.
    I wonder as a Christian how that could be, how could we really be taught that in Gods words these dates that originated as pagan holidays are now to be celebrated in Jesus name.
    I am of Baptist Religion so, I am truly struggling with conviction from God for the truth, deception is everywhere and can carry on for many years so it’s not a far stretch for me to believe that there are things in our culture today that certainly have be desguised to pull Christian away from the purpose of God and his word.

    1. Thanks Tarso. This article demonstrates that we have evidence for the existence of Jewish habitation in first century Nazareth and Bethlehem, of Nabataean wise men, of fragments of early copies of the Gospels, of the kataluma in ancient Jewish homes, of the arrogance of Augustus, and of patristic and medieval claims about locations made centuries after the events purported to have occurred. We knew all of this long ago. There is nothing that specifically and definitively “proves” any element of the biblical narratives about the birth of Jesus; only that they were written in ways that made them feel historically plausible. Sorry.

      1. No need to be sorry. The essence of Christianity is not in the details of the Nativity, but in the original creed, developed in the very first years after the facts took place and repeated in the incipient community of believers: that Christ died on the Cross, was buried, and was raised from the dead on the third day. And this creed was then incorporated in the first letters of St Paul, a few years later. That is the crux of the matter.

      2. Hmmm … I think it was the other way around: first the oral tradition, then the letters of Paul followed decades later by the Gospels, and in the developing church the creed then came to be formalised, being adopted at Nicea in 325CE.

      3. Yes, I agree, first came the oral tradition, which also provides insights into the Nativity stories we talked earlier. What I meant is that some letters of Paul, written already in the ´40s, already include what he received from the first christians, which was circulating probably from right after the ressurection. It is true that the formal Creed would be formalised only centuries later, but the essence of the creed had already been in circulation also for centuries. Is short: if there may be some inconsistencies in the Nativity story, as you point out, the fundamental tenets of the faith are corroborated since the very beginning.

        In a more literary vein (George MacDonald: An Anthology by CS Lewis): “But herein is the Bible itself greatly wronged. It nowhere lays claim to be regarded as the Word, the Way, the Truth. The Bible leads us to Jesus, the inexhaustible, the ever unfolding Revelation of God. It is Christ “in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge”, not the Bible, save as leading to Him”

      4. I doubt that many of Paul’s letters that we have were written in the 40s. 1 Cor, which contains the proto-credal claims in ch.15, is from the 50s, after Paul’s visit when Gallio was proconsul (50–51 CE). Fragments elsewhere in the NT and patristic writers do show early attempts to express beliefs in succinct, memorisable phrases, but there is no full credal statement until Nicea in 325 CE—At the urging of Emperor Constantine.

        Faith is not proof. Belief is what people can commit to, because it makes sense of the reality that we experience, not what can demonstrably be proven, in a quasi-scientific manner. It’s an important distinction.

        So the Bible is testimony—bearing witness to human experience of the transcendent and how it becomes immanent in earthly life. It in no way provides “proof” or declares “dogma”. It invites us to reflect on how we know God, and where the signs of God’s presence and activity can be glimpsed in our world today.

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